Lithril Ashwalker · Apr 12, 2011, 08:50 PM // 20:50

i sell these staves yet no one wants because its req 12 or req 13. correct me if im wrong but arent requirements only there to reach the full damage from the weapon(or a few unique staves for more energy)... whos going to want a staff for q9 water...just to want to wand the damn enemy to death? arent the main requirements 20/20 or 40/20? arent the skill benefits fro mthe staves most important and not the req?

IronSheik · Apr 12, 2011, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Keep in mind on q13/q12, weakness lowers attributes by 1, and not everyone runs 13/14 in certain areas.

Some builds DO run only 8/9 points in certain attributes, and 13 damage is ALWAYS better than 2 damage, especially in PvP.

Most of my ranger builds run 8+1 marks, so I can't go without a r9 bow, and if r8 bows existed you bet your ass I'll front cash for it, just so I can lower my spec another point

Physical req it only matters of very specific builds, as most don't weapon swap, so provided you have 14 spec, you'll do same damage with q7-13, so these sell relatively easy, as casters buy high reqs because as you said, they don't need it, only the mod benefits, the physical classes buy the low reqs.

But casters tend to dip into other attributes. You'll have a hard time selling a water/spawn/FC/Inspire q11+ simply because many don't run it that high.

Water isn't used in PvE anymore, if I need a snare I can bring a 0 spec deep freeze.

This goes for Spawn/FC/Inspire, they just don't sell.

Del · Apr 12, 2011, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronSheik

Keep in mind on q13/q12, weakness lowers attributes by 1, and not everyone runs 13/14 in certain areas.

Some builds DO run only 8/9 points in certain attributes, and 13 damage is ALWAYS better than 2 damage, especially in PvP.

Most of my ranger builds run 8+1 marks, so I can't go without a r9 bow, and if r8 bows existed you bet your ass I'll front cash for it, just so I can lower my spec another point

Doesn't matter really. Even if you can't meet the requirement on the staff, the attribute is the only part that really matters for mastery wraps/adept heads/apt not att inscriptions. And in pvp casters should only be on a staff for casting attunements/etc. and it's an extremely off change thwy'd be using a staff that doesn't match main attribute, or is less than 13-14.

Lithril Ashwalker · Apr 12, 2011, 09:25 PM // 21:25

well put this, i have a current offer of 50e for a staff
some guy didnt want it ...because it wasnt r9 and claimed it was merch food because it was q10 water...well...just look

now if im right its hard to find a 20/20 celestial staff (probably why i got an offer of 50e)
and he turned down the staff....just becasue of req?!....why would u wand or staff soemthing to death...

Don Zardeone · Apr 12, 2011, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Wanding stuff kills, eventually. back in the day, if we spiked, I'd wand the target, even though I was a monk. If you hit for like 20 damage, that's 20 damage.
If you're a damage build, with damage skills, and they're recharging, you should be wanding. If not, then don't bother playing.

In PvE on the other hand, meh. I like putting req9 collector/crafter/green staves on my dudes because they're pro at wanding.
Sometimes I think the majority of our damage comes from wanding. May be my imagination though.

Lynette Le Sange · Apr 12, 2011, 10:13 PM // 22:13

It's only hard to find a 20/20 cele staff where the req matches the HCT. If you put an adept staff head on your req water staff, it will have HCT fire 20% and HCT water 20% (which is both ugly and useless- you can get that same effect with a 20/10). If it were req fire, you could get 2x HCT fire 20% (useful). It's got nothing to do with wanding and everything to do with rarity and functionality.

If you keep advertising in kamadan "WTS 20/20 Fire cele staff" people assume it's also req fire, and will offer accordingly. Not writing that it's req water just wastes your time and theirs.

If I were you I would just merch that staff...

Lithril Ashwalker · Apr 12, 2011, 10:32 PM // 22:32

its hct of all spells....hsr of fire 20%

its not merch fodder

Del · Apr 12, 2011, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

its hct of all spells....hsr of fire 20%

its not merch fodder

Yeah, it pretty much is. the fire is stuck, and you can't use an adept head or mastery wraps on it for fire. it's garbage.

Bristlebane · Apr 12, 2011, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Who would use this kind of staff? Very few Eles would spec into dual attunements, except perhaps a gimmicky Master of Magic build?

I can see a slight use if the attunements were reversed as you might use for example Deep Freeze at low or no spec, but not the other way around.

old gray dude · Apr 13, 2011, 12:23 AM // 00:23

sry to disapoint u but mixed mod staffs even celestial ones noone wants u do find the rare collector who collect mixed mod staffs but ur not gonna get what ur thinking its worth

tuna-fish_sushi · Apr 13, 2011, 12:28 AM // 00:28

not everyone is going to use adept mod on their staff, Its definitely a keeper but you probably won't get too much for it, but definitely not worth merching.

LifeInfusion · Apr 13, 2011, 12:43 AM // 00:43

if reqs matter much it's because you're running Eles... hence you need to wand. Also, wanding is if you're a heal/prot monk with no damage. Most eles run 14 in their attribute.

I wouldn't bother selling that staff. It's mismatched mods.

Necros and Mesmers have less need for wanding because spells are on <7 cooldown...

Rites · Apr 13, 2011, 12:56 AM // 00:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

its hct of all spells....hsr of fire 20%

its not merch fodder

lol, it has been explained why peeps consider this merch food, but yet you wanna hang on to the belief that you have something worthwhile......

use a little common sense.. would YOU use this staff and thus spec into both water and fire attributes?

and if your answer is yes, lemme see the build you use so i can laugh at you

Lithril Ashwalker · Apr 13, 2011, 01:04 AM // 01:04

:/ then check the past bids on it.
i bought this staff on here for 45e...
and other offers were aroudn 35-40e in the first place....i just bought out.

so either someone on here had hustlers and scammed
or your not paying attention to the true value.

BACK ON TOPIC*
so your saying if this staff had q10water and HSR of WATER....theres a higher chance if i met the Q10?

so q10 water isnt just for damage?

Rites · Apr 13, 2011, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

so either someone on here had hustlers and scammed

wouldn't really say you were scammed, more like someone took advantage of someone else's ignorance

simply put...

you were attracted to the item cuz it was a celestial weapon and 20/10, but you apparently did not pay attention to the split attributes of the staff, which is something your perspective buyers are looking at

yes you could make money on the staff, but it is nowhere near the value of a similar staff with only 1 attribute

old gray dude · Apr 13, 2011, 01:12 AM // 01:12

all im gonna say on it is post some screens if u do sell it that will def shut mine and everyone elses mouth until then i still hold the thought that is isnt total crap but its not the great staff u are trying to present it as

Lithril Ashwalker · Apr 13, 2011, 01:17 AM // 01:17

look....honestly with this staff as well as other players, i would put everything into fire magic, ignore water...because the req is only for the DAMNED STAFF DAMAGE u want me to perf salv the mods off so you guys see where im confused?....this was a question thread...not a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing argument thread or a pc thread.

WHY are REQS IMPORTANT ON A STAFF when the HCT/HSR matters alone...? THATS THE QUESTION..
THE REQ ONLY MATTERS ON HOW MUCH DAMAGE THE (STAFF ITSELF DOES){autoattacking}

if im wrong about the REQ then explain other reasons it matters

Del · Apr 13, 2011, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

look....honestly with this staff as well as other players, i would put everything into fire magic, ignore water...because the req is only for the DAMNED STAFF DAMAGE u want me to perf salv the mods off so you guys see where im confused?....this was a question thread...not a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing argument thread or a pc thread.

WHY are REQS IMPORTANT ON A STAFF when the HCT/HSR matters alone...? THATS THE QUESTION..
THE REQ ONLY MATTERS ON HOW MUCH DAMAGE THE (STAFF ITSELF DOES){autoattacking}

if im wrong about the REQ then explain other reasons it matters

Because the goddamn req determines how some mods interact with the staff. genius.

BrettM · Apr 13, 2011, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

WHY are REQS IMPORTANT ON A STAFF when the HCT/HSR matters alone...? THATS THE QUESTION..

Then pay attention to the answer, which you've been given several times. Damage does matter. You will spend part of your time wanding, and you want to get as much damage as you can out of it, regardless of how pathetic that is. If some mesmer throws Backfire on you, would you prefer to stand around with your thumb up your butt until it wears off, or would you prefer to at least do the most autoattack damage that the staff can deliver?

Infectious · Apr 13, 2011, 03:01 AM // 03:01

This staff is useless.
For pvp duties 40/40 wand + offhand.
Staff for enchanting.
Spear and sheild for spiking.

Apr 12, 2011, 08:50 PM // 20:50	#1
Lithril Ashwalker Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Profession: A/	Req matter on certain staves? i sell these staves yet no one wants because its req 12 or req 13. correct me if im wrong but arent requirements only there to reach the full damage from the weapon(or a few unique staves for more energy)... whos going to want a staff for q9 water...just to want to wand the damn enemy to death? arent the main requirements 20/20 or 40/20? arent the skill benefits fro mthe staves most important and not the req?

Apr 12, 2011, 09:04 PM // 21:04	#2
IronSheik Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wolfenstein: Goldrush Guild: Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom] Profession: N/	Keep in mind on q13/q12, weakness lowers attributes by 1, and not everyone runs 13/14 in certain areas. Some builds DO run only 8/9 points in certain attributes, and 13 damage is ALWAYS better than 2 damage, especially in PvP. Most of my ranger builds run 8+1 marks, so I can't go without a r9 bow, and if r8 bows existed you bet your ass I'll front cash for it, just so I can lower my spec another point Physical req it only matters of very specific builds, as most don't weapon swap, so provided you have 14 spec, you'll do same damage with q7-13, so these sell relatively easy, as casters buy high reqs because as you said, they don't need it, only the mod benefits, the physical classes buy the low reqs. But casters tend to dip into other attributes. You'll have a hard time selling a water/spawn/FC/Inspire q11+ simply because many don't run it that high. Water isn't used in PvE anymore, if I need a snare I can bring a 0 spec deep freeze. This goes for Spawn/FC/Inspire, they just don't sell. Last edited by IronSheik; Apr 12, 2011 at 09:18 PM // 21:18..

Apr 12, 2011, 09:25 PM // 21:25	#4
Lithril Ashwalker Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Profession: A/	well put this, i have a current offer of 50e for a staff some guy didnt want it ...because it wasnt r9 and claimed it was merch food because it was q10 water...well...just look now if im right its hard to find a 20/20 celestial staff (probably why i got an offer of 50e) and he turned down the staff....just becasue of req?!....why would u wand or staff soemthing to death...

Apr 12, 2011, 10:11 PM // 22:11	#5
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	Wanding stuff kills, eventually. back in the day, if we spiked, I'd wand the target, even though I was a monk. If you hit for like 20 damage, that's 20 damage. If you're a damage build, with damage skills, and they're recharging, you should be wanding. If not, then don't bother playing. In PvE on the other hand, meh. I like putting req9 collector/crafter/green staves on my dudes because they're pro at wanding. Sometimes I think the majority of our damage comes from wanding. May be my imagination though.

Apr 12, 2011, 10:13 PM // 22:13	#6
Lynette Le Sange Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: GLNT Profession: N/	It's only hard to find a 20/20 cele staff where the req matches the HCT. If you put an adept staff head on your req water staff, it will have HCT fire 20% and HCT water 20% (which is both ugly and useless- you can get that same effect with a 20/10). If it were req fire, you could get 2x HCT fire 20% (useful). It's got nothing to do with wanding and everything to do with rarity and functionality. If you keep advertising in kamadan "WTS 20/20 Fire cele staff" people assume it's also req fire, and will offer accordingly. Not writing that it's req water just wastes your time and theirs. If I were you I would just merch that staff...

Apr 12, 2011, 10:32 PM // 22:32	#7
Lithril Ashwalker Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Profession: A/	its hct of all spells....hsr of fire 20% its not merch fodder

Apr 12, 2011, 10:52 PM // 22:52	#9
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	Who would use this kind of staff? Very few Eles would spec into dual attunements, except perhaps a gimmicky Master of Magic build? I can see a slight use if the attunements were reversed as you might use for example Deep Freeze at low or no spec, but not the other way around.

Apr 13, 2011, 12:23 AM // 00:23	#10
old gray dude Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: way down south Guild: dragon ancients Profession: A/	sry to disapoint u but mixed mod staffs even celestial ones noone wants u do find the rare collector who collect mixed mod staffs but ur not gonna get what ur thinking its worth

Apr 13, 2011, 12:28 AM // 00:28	#11
tuna-fish_sushi Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: California Profession: E/A	not everyone is going to use adept mod on their staff, Its definitely a keeper but you probably won't get too much for it, but definitely not worth merching.

Apr 13, 2011, 12:43 AM // 00:43	#12
LifeInfusion Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: in the midline Profession: E/Mo	if reqs matter much it's because you're running Eles... hence you need to wand. Also, wanding is if you're a heal/prot monk with no damage. Most eles run 14 in their attribute. I wouldn't bother selling that staff. It's mismatched mods. Necros and Mesmers have less need for wanding because spells are on <7 cooldown...

Apr 13, 2011, 01:04 AM // 01:04	#14
Lithril Ashwalker Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Profession: A/	:/ then check the past bids on it. i bought this staff on here for 45e... and other offers were aroudn 35-40e in the first place....i just bought out. so either someone on here had hustlers and scammed or your not paying attention to the true value. BACK ON TOPIC* so your saying if this staff had q10water and HSR of WATER....theres a higher chance if i met the Q10? so q10 water isnt just for damage?

Apr 13, 2011, 01:12 AM // 01:12	#16
old gray dude Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: way down south Guild: dragon ancients Profession: A/	all im gonna say on it is post some screens if u do sell it that will def shut mine and everyone elses mouth until then i still hold the thought that is isnt total crap but its not the great staff u are trying to present it as

Apr 13, 2011, 01:17 AM // 01:17	#17
Lithril Ashwalker Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Profession: A/	look....honestly with this staff as well as other players, i would put everything into fire magic, ignore water...because the req is only for the DAMNED STAFF DAMAGE u want me to perf salv the mods off so you guys see where im confused?....this was a question thread...not a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing argument thread or a pc thread. WHY are REQS IMPORTANT ON A STAFF when the HCT/HSR matters alone...? THATS THE QUESTION.. THE REQ ONLY MATTERS ON HOW MUCH DAMAGE THE (STAFF ITSELF DOES){autoattacking} if im wrong about the REQ then explain other reasons it matters

Apr 13, 2011, 03:01 AM // 03:01	#20
Infectious Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Zealand FTW Guild: Ex Talionis [Law]	This staff is useless. For pvp duties 40/40 wand + offhand. Staff for enchanting. Spear and sheild for spiking.